Evolution - Believe in it or not?

Beholder Posts : 271 Registration date : 2009-04-14

Contrary to what I said before, I am posting again, just to say one thing: I still believe in evolution. I just am not debating it anymore. Others can still debate it, but I am leaving the debate. There are greener pastures out there!

Vanguard Posts : 4065 Registration date : 2008-08-31

Kay mate. You go frolick in your "green pastures".

**Retired Staff** Posts : 3240 Registration date : 2008-07-01

With evolution something was created out of nothing, out of that "nothing" were no thoughts or beliefs.

If evolution is true than there are no morals, rights, or way of thinking. Not one man can judge whether something is good or evil, because there is nothing perfectly good to compare anything to.

The only way would be to have a supernatural being that has neither fault or blame. If that is false than we have not "evolved" like you said, we would still be the same immoral and unjust humans deserving nothing.

Only by something perfectly good deciding to give grace instead of rightfully judging us, which should be to eternally burn.

Scientifically speaking... ;)

**Hero of Time** Posts : 11494 Registration date : 2008-03-08

Actually, our brains can evolve too. I'm not really sure what you are getting at there, but we can tell pain, annoyance, etc. No doubt eventually our brains evolved enough to realize that we might be granted well if we did something good. And that might've just been a religious thingy made up by someone of long ago, kind of like karma. I have no idea. But we don't need someone else to grant us right from wrong.

**Retired Staff** Posts : 3240 Registration date : 2008-07-01

Argie wrote:: Actually, our brains can evolve too. I'm not really sure what you are getting at there, but we can tell pain, annoyance, etc. No doubt eventually our brains evolved enough to realize that we might be granted well if we did something good. And that might've just been a religious thingy made up by someone of long ago, kind of like karma. I have no idea. But we don't need someone else to grant us right from wrong.

Then what seperates good from evil?

If being bad considers you evil, then what is bad to be compared to? What is ultimately evil which everything else considered "evil" is compared to?

If evolution did create everything, then there is nothing good when you die, you just die.

That may be true, but it just goes by what you believe in. You can believe evolution or any other thing, just try and think of what you actually think is true, is there a purpose to your life or not? If evolution is true, then there's not.

**Hero of Time** Posts : 11494 Registration date : 2008-03-08

Just because evolution is true, that does not mean purpose is not. Do not think I am athiest and treat me that way, because evolution does not mean no religion. And I am on the very verge of believing there is nothing when you die. So? What's the proof against that?

**Retired Staff** Posts : 3240 Registration date : 2008-07-01

Argie wrote:: Just because evolution is true, that does not mean purpose is not. Do not think I am athiest and treat me that way, because evolution does not mean no religion. And I am on the very verge of believing there is nothing when you die. So? What's the proof against that?

No, I'm not directing it towards you as though your an atheist. I'm just saying if it was all accident, then how is there purpose? That kinda of contradicts itself.

If a super-being did use evolution, instead of making it themself. Wouldn't they know that all this confusion and misunderstanding would happen? Wouldn't it be much more sensible to just do it themselves?

**Hero of Time** Posts : 11494 Registration date : 2008-03-08

Man, I hate Darwin. Yes, I believe in evolution. No, I don't believe it was an accident. It does contradict some things in the bible most definitely... but still, it is possible. You don't have to be full of yourself and take so much credit (That was not a directed comment, by the way). Instead, you can let things happen on their own, see the results, let people and animals learn and live and BREED- the basis of evolution. And if there was no breeding between species and no mutations than there would not be evolution. But there WAS.

Vanguard Posts : 4065 Registration date : 2008-08-31

but to say we evolved from apes? No. Because Darwins THEORY is that we evolved from apes.

Beholder Posts : 271 Registration date : 2009-04-14

Actually, it said humans and apes had a common ancestor. Don't mind me. Think of this as an anonymous note.

**Hero of Time** Posts : 11494 Registration date : 2008-03-08

Well, Darwin has been proven wrong by other SCIENTISTs. No, we didn't evolve from apes, we evolved from homo whatevers!!!
EDIT: Techtewhateverhisfaceis beat me to it but I'll post it anyway.

Vanguard Posts : 4065 Registration date : 2008-08-31

No. I don't believe we have a "common ancestor". I don't believe in evolution.

**Hero of Time** Posts : 11494 Registration date : 2008-03-08

Well, we sure act the same, look the same, etc.

Beholder Posts : 271 Registration date : 2009-04-14

He actually said we and apes had a common ancestor. He didn't say that people evolved from apes. He said people and apes evolved from a common ancestor.

Again, think of this as an anonymous note.

Vanguard Posts : 4065 Registration date : 2008-08-31

No, actually by saying we have a common ancestor, he is suggesting that we evolved from apes.
Um argie, please do not tell me i look the same as an ape. =P

**Retired Staff** Posts : 3240 Registration date : 2008-07-01

Why are we any different than animals then?

We shouldn't get anymore special priveledges than them? Are minds must not be any more evolved than there's. Wouldn't the creator already know that all this chaos would happen and be able to fix it?

Beholder Posts : 271 Registration date : 2009-04-14

We don't look EXACTLY the same, but we have a similar body shape. No wonder that "...you look like a monkey, and you act like one, too!" part of the silly happy birthday song makes sense.

Vanguard Posts : 4065 Registration date : 2008-08-31

Triton wrote:: Why are we any different than animals then?

We shouldn't get anymore special priveledges than them? Are minds must not be any more evolved than there's. Wouldn't the creator already know that all this chaos would happen and be able to fix it?

Yeah, exactly, why aren't the animals treated especially well?

**Retired Staff** Posts : 3240 Registration date : 2008-07-01

Technetium43 wrote:: We don't look EXACTLY the same, but we have a similar body shape. No wonder that "...you look like a monkey, and you act like one, too!" part of the silly happy birthday song makes sense.

Then why aren't we seeing sudden changes in apes turning into humans now?

**Hero of Time** Posts : 11494 Registration date : 2008-03-08

Kool Kat wrote:: No, actually by saying we have a common ancestor, he is suggesting that we evolved from apes.
Um argie, please do not tell me i look the same as an ape. =P

Same bone structure and stuff. Plus, we have found evidence with bones and stuff as fossils. =P

Triton wrote:: Why are we any different than animals then?

We shouldn't get anymore special priveledges than them? Are minds must not be any more evolved than there's. Wouldn't the creator already know that all this chaos would happen and be able to fix it?

Actually, apes are pretty smart for animals, and they are the animals we are related to as evolution goes. But, I guess we used our brains differently and branched off into people with a more complex knowledge. Then, we started using it, learned more, and became the top of the food chain and the top of the... we became smarter and smarter until we began to use a form of language called body language converted into WORDS!!! And then we turned into a civilization of sorts and eventually with all this progress just kept evolving.

That was crude guesswork, I'm no scientist.

Beholder Posts : 271 Registration date : 2009-04-14

You are right, though, Argie.

**Retired Staff** Posts : 3240 Registration date : 2008-07-01

Quote :

Then why aren't we seeing sudden changes in apes turning into humans now?

Vanguard Posts : 4065 Registration date : 2008-08-31

Then why did some apes get left behind?
And if the fossils genuinly show that WE DID evolve from apes, then why does evolution still remain a theory?

**Hero of Time** Posts : 11494 Registration date : 2008-03-08

No, no no... that isn't what I mean. Fossils genuinly show that we and apes evolved from the same species because of the fact there were fossils found of us both as the same... and then slowly two different branches seperated.
Some apes got left behind, because like everything they evolved out on a different branch of the people... and they did different things. There are always a few odd ones out, if those were the humans or the apes.

@ Triton- Evolution isn't sudden. And apes can't just change into humans-- that might not be what they will evolve into over time. We are our own species now and did not evolve from apes.

**Retired Staff** Posts : 3240 Registration date : 2008-07-01

But just in general why isn't evolution still happening?

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